01-02-2014, 12:36 AM
01-02-2014, 03:08 AM
Yeah, it pretty much is.
01-02-2014, 02:18 PM
The more open and truthful a government is, the more likely there are conspiracy theorists calling them liars.
EDIT: Not to mention if they did knew the tower was going down, why the fuck would they falsely report that it came down? Surely if they were informed, then they would also be given the time, since controlled demolition is controlled after all.
EDIT: Not to mention if they did knew the tower was going down, why the fuck would they falsely report that it came down? Surely if they were informed, then they would also be given the time, since controlled demolition is controlled after all.
01-03-2014, 07:16 PM
The thing is you're focusing completely on the United States, even though every country has done crap. China screwed up Tibet, Britain practically invaded the entire world, the Middle East is just a hell hole to begin with, the Rwandans massacred themselves, should I go on?
You're trying to use Thanksgiving as an argument? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, do you even know what Thanksgiving is about? It's the celebration of a successful harvest, hence why it's in the fall. You seem to think that since Native Americans are generally associated with this day (which by the way, comes from the 1621 Plymouth celebration that was honoring the cooperation of those specific settlers and Native Americans and as a result, stores like to paint pictures of this day over and over as advertisement around this time of year) that it is automatically about them.
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about, but I suppose you're just panning to the audience.
You're trying to use Thanksgiving as an argument? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, do you even know what Thanksgiving is about? It's the celebration of a successful harvest, hence why it's in the fall. You seem to think that since Native Americans are generally associated with this day (which by the way, comes from the 1621 Plymouth celebration that was honoring the cooperation of those specific settlers and Native Americans and as a result, stores like to paint pictures of this day over and over as advertisement around this time of year) that it is automatically about them.
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about, but I suppose you're just panning to the audience.
01-03-2014, 08:18 PM
Since you want edit your responses whenever you see an argument that counters yours in a feeble attempt to hide your mistakes (Yes, we can see the little "edited" notice on the top), I'm just going to double post.
1. Japan was nuked in WWII because a full-scale invasion of the mainland would've cost millions of lives due to the psychology of their soldiers and people at the time (Evidenced by their mass-suicides and Bonzai Charges).
2. Pakistan: How the fuck is a drone strike a war crime? it's like saying people can't use tanks in war or police officers in keeping the law.
3. Mexico made an incursion into U.S. territory and they had a war. Not taking land is like letting your enemy another chance to fight back.
4. Oh, so you're trying to put some bullshit in there to back your point? Saying the U.S. backed Nazi Germany is like saying Britain helped Hitler by trying to stay out of the war with a peace pact.
5. "They also backed a lot of dictators such as...Saddam Hussein(Iraq),"
"Iraqi sanctions that starved 500,000 children"
If you're going to back up your argument, you might want to make sure your information isn't contradictory. You state that the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein, yet you also talk about the Iraqi Sanctions that resulted from the Gulf War, which was imposed during Saddam's regime and ended in 2003, when he was kicked out. Effectively, you're saying that the U.S. backed up Saddam with a sanction that hurt his power.
6. "how they celebrate Native American genocide(Thanksgiving) every fucking year,"
Do I have to fucking explain why this is utter false again?
7. Pol Pot was the leader of a Communist Party around the time when the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were locked in ideological cold war, why the fuck would the U.S. support someone who was their ideological enemy?
8. "Napalm Bombing of (Cambodia, Laos) Vietnam," So you would rather lose thousands of lives walking into a jungle teeming with guerrilla soldiers and land mines wanting to kill you?
9. "They also backed a lot of dictators such as Fulgencio Batista(Cuba),"
Oh look at how Fidel Castro turned out when Batista failed to stop him.
10. "Bombing El Salvador," There was a civil war and the U.S. gave support to its government, just another biased attempt to back up your claim.
11. "Somozas(Nicaragua)," All the U.S. did was make a pact to replace the U.S. marines present with a Nicaraguan National Guard, I hardly call that support.
There are two kinds of idiots in the world, the ones who conform, and the ones who look at something and scream "WITCH!"
1. Japan was nuked in WWII because a full-scale invasion of the mainland would've cost millions of lives due to the psychology of their soldiers and people at the time (Evidenced by their mass-suicides and Bonzai Charges).
2. Pakistan: How the fuck is a drone strike a war crime? it's like saying people can't use tanks in war or police officers in keeping the law.
3. Mexico made an incursion into U.S. territory and they had a war. Not taking land is like letting your enemy another chance to fight back.
4. Oh, so you're trying to put some bullshit in there to back your point? Saying the U.S. backed Nazi Germany is like saying Britain helped Hitler by trying to stay out of the war with a peace pact.
5. "They also backed a lot of dictators such as...Saddam Hussein(Iraq),"
"Iraqi sanctions that starved 500,000 children"
If you're going to back up your argument, you might want to make sure your information isn't contradictory. You state that the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein, yet you also talk about the Iraqi Sanctions that resulted from the Gulf War, which was imposed during Saddam's regime and ended in 2003, when he was kicked out. Effectively, you're saying that the U.S. backed up Saddam with a sanction that hurt his power.
6. "how they celebrate Native American genocide(Thanksgiving) every fucking year,"
Do I have to fucking explain why this is utter false again?
7. Pol Pot was the leader of a Communist Party around the time when the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were locked in ideological cold war, why the fuck would the U.S. support someone who was their ideological enemy?
8. "Napalm Bombing of (Cambodia, Laos) Vietnam," So you would rather lose thousands of lives walking into a jungle teeming with guerrilla soldiers and land mines wanting to kill you?
9. "They also backed a lot of dictators such as Fulgencio Batista(Cuba),"
Oh look at how Fidel Castro turned out when Batista failed to stop him.
10. "Bombing El Salvador," There was a civil war and the U.S. gave support to its government, just another biased attempt to back up your claim.
11. "Somozas(Nicaragua)," All the U.S. did was make a pact to replace the U.S. marines present with a Nicaraguan National Guard, I hardly call that support.
There are two kinds of idiots in the world, the ones who conform, and the ones who look at something and scream "WITCH!"
01-04-2014, 03:00 PM
History.
Some facts can be manipulated so much that they are more opinions rather than facts.
Some facts can be manipulated so much that they are more opinions rather than facts.
01-05-2014, 04:13 PM
"1. The U.S. Department of the Treasury poisoned alcohol during Prohibition — and people died."
So, you're saying that lawbreakers should be able to steal industrial alcohol and drink it? You think it's ok to run into a gas station and start drinking Ethanol? It was their own fault for buying and consuming it, not to mention many illegal distillers made questionable quality alcohol. Ever heard of rotgut?
"2. The U.S. Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years."
Oh look, guess what the last sentence of this part says?
"A government advisory panel deemed the study "ethically irresponsible" and research ended almost immediately.
As a result, the government settled a class-action lawsuit out of court in 1974 for $10 million and lifetime health benefits for all participants, the last of whom died in 2004."
"3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus."
You might want to look at one of the links in this section, specifically this one:
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/conten...10273.long
It states that the SV40 was not even known until 1959, so how could they have prevented it in the first place? Not to mention the polio vaccine succeeded in wiping out polio.
"4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to U.S. intervention in Vietnam, never happened."
1. Many aspects of this incident DID occur.
2. Many members of the government at the time even stated their uncertainty of the second encounter actually happened, even the fucking president said it. I find it highly unlikely that anyone would plan a conspiracy and do things directly conflicting said conspiracy.
"5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the U.S. to drum up support for a war against Cuba."
"We don't know whether McNamara immediately refused, but a few days later, Kennedy told Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, the plan's poo-bah, that the U.S. would never use overt force to take Cuba."
You might actually want to read the link you're linking.
"6. The government tested the effects of LSD on unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/true-gove...z2pYL2Yiz2
"according to documents from a joint hearing to subcommittees of Congress, where President Kennedy spoke.
That day, he regaled Congress with 'chilling testimony.'"
"When Congress looked into the matter, no one, not even Helms, could "remember" details. Through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, more documents were located, but the full timeline remains incomplete."
Again, read what you post. The article clearly shows us that the actually government as a whole was against this. You're trying to blame the entire government for what a couple corrupt guys given too much power did. That's like saying all Germans are bad because of Nazi Germany, or that Italy is evil because of the Roman Empire conquering and enslaving thousands of people.
Also, ever heard of hippies from that era? They abused LSD so much.
"7. In 1974, the CIA secretly resurfaced a sunken Soviet submarine with three nuclear-armed ballistic missiles."
How the fuck is this bad?
1. The USSR and the US were ideological enemies. So they would have probably taken the submarine anyways hoping to get intelligence.
2. So you're just going to leave 3 nukes on the seafloor and let them contaminate the area with radiation?
3. What dumbass would leave free equipment behind?
"8. The U.S. government sold weapons to Iran, violating an embargo, and used the money to support Nicaraguan militants."
Ok, so they sold limited amounts of weapons to Iran to save 7 hostages and then used the money to fund Anti-Communists in a time when the U.S. was engaged with a cold war with the USSR? Sounds pretty good, considering people used to exchange prisoners for valuable captured leaders, which would have been far more damaging then a limited trade of weapons.
"9. A public relations firm organized congressional testimony that propelled U.S. involvement in the Persian Gulf War."
How is this an U.S. conspiracy? I would love to know. It was a conspiracy, but the U.S. Government wasn't even behind it, it was just a corrupt PR firm and some Kuwait officials trying to deceive the U.S. If anything, the U.S. and Iraq were both victims of this stunt, not to mention many hospital patients did die due to fleeing hospital workers in the invasion of Kuwait.
Also, what part of "you're focusing completely on the United States, even though every country has done crap" do you not get? You could just Google every nation that's at least a hundred years old and come up with a massive list of things they shouldn't have done.
So, you're saying that lawbreakers should be able to steal industrial alcohol and drink it? You think it's ok to run into a gas station and start drinking Ethanol? It was their own fault for buying and consuming it, not to mention many illegal distillers made questionable quality alcohol. Ever heard of rotgut?
"2. The U.S. Public Health Service lied about treating black men with syphilis for more than 40 years."
Oh look, guess what the last sentence of this part says?
"A government advisory panel deemed the study "ethically irresponsible" and research ended almost immediately.
As a result, the government settled a class-action lawsuit out of court in 1974 for $10 million and lifetime health benefits for all participants, the last of whom died in 2004."
"3. More than 100 million Americans received a polio vaccine contaminated with a potentially cancer-causing virus."
You might want to look at one of the links in this section, specifically this one:
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/conten...10273.long
It states that the SV40 was not even known until 1959, so how could they have prevented it in the first place? Not to mention the polio vaccine succeeded in wiping out polio.
"4. Parts of the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which led to U.S. intervention in Vietnam, never happened."
1. Many aspects of this incident DID occur.
2. Many members of the government at the time even stated their uncertainty of the second encounter actually happened, even the fucking president said it. I find it highly unlikely that anyone would plan a conspiracy and do things directly conflicting said conspiracy.
"5. Military leaders reportedly planned terrorist attacks in the U.S. to drum up support for a war against Cuba."
"We don't know whether McNamara immediately refused, but a few days later, Kennedy told Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, the plan's poo-bah, that the U.S. would never use overt force to take Cuba."
You might actually want to read the link you're linking.
"6. The government tested the effects of LSD on unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/true-gove...z2pYL2Yiz2
"according to documents from a joint hearing to subcommittees of Congress, where President Kennedy spoke.
That day, he regaled Congress with 'chilling testimony.'"
"When Congress looked into the matter, no one, not even Helms, could "remember" details. Through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, more documents were located, but the full timeline remains incomplete."
Again, read what you post. The article clearly shows us that the actually government as a whole was against this. You're trying to blame the entire government for what a couple corrupt guys given too much power did. That's like saying all Germans are bad because of Nazi Germany, or that Italy is evil because of the Roman Empire conquering and enslaving thousands of people.
Also, ever heard of hippies from that era? They abused LSD so much.
"7. In 1974, the CIA secretly resurfaced a sunken Soviet submarine with three nuclear-armed ballistic missiles."
How the fuck is this bad?
1. The USSR and the US were ideological enemies. So they would have probably taken the submarine anyways hoping to get intelligence.
2. So you're just going to leave 3 nukes on the seafloor and let them contaminate the area with radiation?
3. What dumbass would leave free equipment behind?
"8. The U.S. government sold weapons to Iran, violating an embargo, and used the money to support Nicaraguan militants."
Ok, so they sold limited amounts of weapons to Iran to save 7 hostages and then used the money to fund Anti-Communists in a time when the U.S. was engaged with a cold war with the USSR? Sounds pretty good, considering people used to exchange prisoners for valuable captured leaders, which would have been far more damaging then a limited trade of weapons.
"9. A public relations firm organized congressional testimony that propelled U.S. involvement in the Persian Gulf War."
How is this an U.S. conspiracy? I would love to know. It was a conspiracy, but the U.S. Government wasn't even behind it, it was just a corrupt PR firm and some Kuwait officials trying to deceive the U.S. If anything, the U.S. and Iraq were both victims of this stunt, not to mention many hospital patients did die due to fleeing hospital workers in the invasion of Kuwait.
Also, what part of "you're focusing completely on the United States, even though every country has done crap" do you not get? You could just Google every nation that's at least a hundred years old and come up with a massive list of things they shouldn't have done.